Holy Mother Church hasnt reserved judgement, as you say. Call it the Holy Spirit or my Guardian Angel, but I dont think this is a true Catholic organization. The bishops office of the diocese of Cleveland cautions anyone considering donations to the center. I would have loved to have witnessed something like the pilgrims at Fatima did, but really, I do not need it. Holy Love Messages "This is the decade (2020-2030) when it is most important to discern correctly good from evil, as Satan's instruments will rise to power clothed in goodness. The bishops condemned Joan of Arc. 8/30/93 from Jesus: The door to the soul is free will. Nothing of such exists in any messages. reputable theologian who has examined the subject. Lets give everybody another dollop of your skewered thinking. What I almost certain of is that he does not reveal that he abandoned his family for this ministry. (Oh, and by the way, Holy Love Ministries has one of those miraculous springs. I did. There is nothing being preached there against the Faith.. He says that it is our blind spots that harbor spiritual attacks and reminds us of Scriptures warning: Be sober, be watchful. The silence they are effecting when they should proclaim loudly the teachings of the Church speaks clearly of the lack of support fo the Holy Father and his magisterium. Under investigation for what? Let me begin by quoting St. Thomas of Aquinas from the Summa: Obedience is a part of justice, one of the four cardinal virtues, which, are, in turn, subordinate to the theological virtues of Faith, Hope and, Charity. Many bishops today want to create a new church, one where man is at the center. This was an administrative action, which does not take away from his authority (and his mission to preach, teach and sanctify) to issue a pronouncement on the authenticity of visions/apparitions. They pray and love God. You can find that citation from Catherine of Sienna in the first chapter of her Dialogues. 3 You pray for the conversion of anyone who supports. Once they are off course, the messages can take over and Catholic priests and bishops may even be seen as the enemy for rejecting or ignoring the messages. At that time, each priest, bishop, cardinal, pope. The shrine is on one hundred-plus acres of land, adorned with beautiful statues of Mary, Jesus and many of the saints. Looking back on that message now, it was supposed to help me in my discernment of my vocation, but the message was general and vague. When others disapprove of your participation here, remember Heaven approves.You increase in holiness when your relationship with Me is such that you seek only to please Me.. If you want to go to a site that is true, go to Fatima or the approved sites , but try to really discern what is true and not true. Lets be specific Harry. Bishop Lennon issued an admonishment because he could not forbid Catholics from going to HLM. Bishop Lennon certainly is not infallible given the Vaticans reversal of his improper practice of closing certain parishes. Guess who turnd out to be right in the end? Its his job. If He wanted women priests, then wouldnt Mother Mary be the first priestess? She has a B.A. I pray that one day his eyes will open, but no amount of logic will convince him of the truth. Yet, as an ecumenical ministry it found time and space in many of its printed materials to rail against the Church. I was forever changed, and there is no doubt in my Catholic heart that God and his family are on and all over those grounds. In others words, follow their teaching, dont emulate their actions. Thanks Kevin. After reading through the explanations of why certain messages must be regarded as false, it helps readers to be more discerning. If I change that plan, nothing in the message needs to change, it is still applicable. bob v. So glad you turned your life around. Can. That I do not accept your derision of HLM? Using your logic St. Joan was obliged to deny her voices, just as you assume that the faithful are obliged to not visit Holy Love. Lots of praise from Jesus and the Blessed Mother is heaped on those who attend Holy Love as being the remnant faithful, the special ones, fighting the good fight against the wicked Church, priests and bishops in these dark times. How could all these good fruits not be from God? I still have to read a message from Holy Love that is against church teaching. Are they being disobedient? You would be an excellent addition. Then came a time of upheaval. The whole place is deceptive. He is the Cleveland bishop and so many, many wonderful priest go there. Yes we should be careful and search for the truth. It is so sound. If he could, I am sure he would. This is not to understand it at all. Your discernment needs to focus on what your bishop is doingor more to the pointnot doing. That is why we have the Church, so that what looks good on the surface doesnt lead us astray. "Rosary of the Unborn": Heaven Sent or Hoax? - Pro-Life Action League This is what The Wanderer said in response to my request for the citation: Thanks for your question, but The Wanderer is not indexed and we have no recollection of such a story, and so we cannot verify it for you.. Thank you for posting that. If one reads Lennons Decree carefully, there is a LOT more going on in it than how some are arguing it. God never violates our free will, as He wants our liberty to be intact, and it gives Him so much glory when we DO CHOOSE (through our free will) to accept His grace and allow it to flow into our soul. It apparently also makes some Catholics so prideful that theyve decided they know better than the Church, i.e. There are reasons for this my upcoming book Private Revelation: What Does the Catholic Church Teach? goes into this. If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. if u believe whats going on in the middle east and especially the holy land is all about democracy, then i believe we are operating under and are in the age of THE OPERATION OF ERROR of the end of the age. Our free will gives us the power to allow grace to flow into us THROUGH Mary, or prevent that grace from flowing into us THROUGH Mary. I do believe the current administration is a judgment of sorts on us. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. 5 You pray for any religious leader who does not speak out. Proclamation on Holy Love Ministries Will Test Hearts and Obedience Rather, it has brought out the apparition mockers full force. In absolutely no instance will you find calls to disobey the Church or Church leaders, or words that ask for adherence to a particular apparition site. Its not wrong to go to a site where purported apparitions are occurring. It is not a condemnation. Patti, interesting article. There is a whole doctrine of redemptive suffering that is the doctrine of the Catholic Church. I did not save all the impassioned emails I received three years ago, but I did find similar comments on a site discussing Holy Love. In November of 2006, I wrote an article exposing the Holy Love site (reproduced below). I keep asking people, What will you do when the Pope (not this one, of course) tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only the living God during the Mass, so please put the remaining hosts in the garbage. Then we had better know the difference between true obedience and the false obedience of excess. The Catholics of this country, for long years now, have been denied the full and deep doctrine of the Mass,the sacraments, sin, grace and purgatory. There is where your danger to your Faith lies. Look it up in the CCC. I wish to look at the facts of HLMs case in syllogistic fashion. Then, it becomes a matter of obeying Catholic authority or thinking you know better. Then you won't be in a position to judge." Ellen J. And what did Padre Pio do when the Bishop ordered him to stop? A quick glance through the more recent messages provide several excellent examples on the question of authority and the fact that Jesus or Mary would never, ever, ask for you all to be disobedient to His Church. It did not make sense. I myself have visited a couple apparition sites that proved to be false. Correct, and succinct. These are the ones that do not allow the Messages to affect their spiritual well-being.. Catholicism never changes its dogma, never changes what it believes and teaches for the sake of ecumenism. The ministry has literally changed my life. The common good of the faithful is to nurture the full knowledge of the true Faith. Thomas Aquinas told them all on 11/17/09 (after Bishop Lennons Decree): The decree set forth by your bishop concerning participation in this Mission here was presented as though it carried with it the charge of blind obedience. I am a clear writermuch more so than many on this blog who have taken it upon themselves to malign something they give clear evidence of being afraid of and need to bash. A trip to the confessional is not a bad thing either. The answer to this problem for faithful Catholics is to obey their Bishop, stop going to Holy Love Ministries, and pray. But, it is good to dissect their techniques and arguments. article get the help needed to stop trying to Condemn holy places and holy people. Mike. Loyalty to the Church has never meant disregarding Truth. Come on folks. Any of the saints when they were ordered by their superiours to do something or not do it, they obeyed, obedience is a mark of holiness. Give me some more points. In an article on Apparitions/Private Revelations the EWTN.com website Colin B. Donovan, STL explained that the first responsibility of the faithful is to remain established in the faith, in the sacraments and in communion with the Pope and bishops. But Holy Love's response urging the faithful to disregard their bishop's counsel is quite telling. Holy Love Ministry Messages by Topic. Bishops and Priests by their dead silence on sin are giving their approval of sin, and thus have become the greatest promoters of sin on the planet. We hear the Church when we follow Her official pronouncements. They pray and love God. The other bishops have no authority in his diocese. May God be with you; Ive said all I have to say. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. 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But I suspect that if the Bishop had used whatever wording this person thinks are proper for a condemnation, s/he still would refuse to obey him because. Read the sections about primacy of the Faith and when disobedience to bishops is called for. Believe what you want, and let others believe what they want. What is the applicable Canon number for what you have just stated? No one is asking you to accept and believe in HLM. If Holy Love Ministries is real, it will submit to Church authority and ultimately the Lord will be vindicate it. This is a great test of humility. The language the bishop used is precisely the language of a condemnation. But only time will tell, and we will know the Truth some day, maybe in heaven if we are determined by our life and prayers and faithfulness to the Church to go there. I can use all the prayers I can get. You said before that you were finished writing to me, but you have not been consistent with what you decided in an earlier post. Why has God waited this long? Trust in Him with a contrite, faithful and open heart. Bishop Lennon has NOT spoken definitively. And anywhere the Heaven has touched down onto a privileged soul, you will find that either the home or place where they continued to TRULY appear have never been sold! He stopped Padre Pio from performing his priestly duties, healing the sick, administering to the needy, etc. Translation for other readers: (I see you have a link to EWTN on your site primeraluz.org. Pat, the visionary did and does have a spiritual director. (Medjugorie). If I believed Bishop Lennon is a corrupt bishop I would have said so. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith and the depth mystical theology that underpins it. It can lead to a crisis in faith instead of the reverse. You are mixed up, Elizabeth and you need a good Catholic priest to help you think things through. Any profit from the sale of the Rosary of the unborn is to fund a shelter for unwed mothers. Von Hildebrand is quoted in Catholic Apologetics as stating that when a bishop is not loyal to the true Faith,he loses his authority and does not have to be obeyed. He even goes on to cite the various instances where the saints have disobeyed Popes.. The history of the Church gives us several examples where saints, who, in order to remain faithful, have resisted Church authorities, and were even excommunicated. Maybe you should go back and re-read. Bishop Lennon has no right to prevent those who want to learn their Faith from attending Holy Love. I do not know him. recently Pope Benedict XV1 applied pressure to the Bishops when he stated that no monies should be given to organizations not in line with Church teachings. It ahs deepened my loyalty to Christ and His Church. Search your hearts, find your assets, and contribute generously.. Speaking of which, werent you just commenting on being judgmental since people dont know what is in their hearts?