You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Just a knowing if you will. These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. They are tenacious and will not give up until they achieve their goals. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. When we split up I cried every day for a month. Could I ask Your opinion? thanks!! We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. . Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. I will look into it. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Composite Venus in the 12th House. Hi!! Sun conj. We communicated telepathically and still do. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. I use both in my practice. Id appreciate any information. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. It's more difficult if something like the 12th house is emphasized; all that energy pouring into a house whose task is to dissolve and resolve, to . Hes Gemini sun . Its weird weird weird . I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Im from a country in southamerica. I read your article and its really touching! The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Here are some basic info for the signs in the 12th house: Composite 12th in Aries= Karmic issues with anger. I feel sad about that. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. In the end it was his choice to end it. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. We have had such a difficult relationship. We are very romantic together and trust each other. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. venus+mars, etc. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. You will both be changed deeply by it. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. thank you for post! our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. Thank you for your reply Dawn . intresting to know why its so bad. When the transit Moon is in the composite 6th house, you may be a little emotionally picky in the relationship, and can be a little judgy with one another. That was over three years ago. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. Illusions yes I know. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Chiron in Scorpio, Chiron in the 12th House - Astrology Owl Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? Chiron in 3rd or 9th house in composite chart: This relationship . venus all in the 12th house. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) Doing stuff without thinking clearly. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. Hi Evelyne. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. Thats for start. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. We both have natal moon in house 12. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. Composites are entirely hypothetical, but can provide key understanding to some relationship dynamics. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Thank you for your insight. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. so we find the True in each other. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. Hello dawn The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. He says what on thinking. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! Hi Daw Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! Another spin given to the 12th house . I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Youre writing is inspired. I don know what to do. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 Pemo Theodore - Unravelling the Mysteries of Love through the Composite Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Chiron In 12th House - UPDATED 2023 - A Complete Guide And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Please your opinion. So beautifully written Dawn. Learn how your comment data is processed. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. The 8th House: A Good Death? - Chirotic Journal I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Composite Chart: More on Houses | Cafe Astrology .com AT ALL. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. Star*Mate Composite Report by Pamela Thompson But thank you for helping me face reality. with "openings" into new interests and abilities that can be. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. hi dawn:) (like your name too. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. Dont worry, Evelyne. The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Past Life Indicators in Synastry and Karmic Relationships - Astrology House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? . Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. The Composite 12th House in Astrology Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. And what does it mean our 12th. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Another spin given to the 12th house . But I do have one question? Do you think that is true? Hi Dawn. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Chiron in the Houses of the Natal Chart | Cafe Astrology .com I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? Dear Dawn, The Composite Chart: Relationship Astrology Chiron in 12th House: The Wound of Emotional Suppression and Sense of Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10thhouse cusps). Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . The 12th house is called the house of ends. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. Chiron in 12th House . MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. I am NOT usually like this. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. And it KILLS ME! The south node lies there on the natal composite. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. They rip the rug from under you every other day. What do You think about Davison Chart? I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). This is not only with regards to emotions but also physically. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. scares me a bit. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. And what does it mean our 12th. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. Separation from the Source may lead to existential pain. Thank you, Tricia. What is the best approach? By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. I was heart broken all over again. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. Difficult to ground your energy. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. Chiron in Capricorn, Chiron in the 12th House - Astrology Owl In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. The ego thing is very true. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Covered Here: The Composite 12th House in the Signs Composite Planets in the 12th House Transit Planets in the Composite 12th House But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it.